"Trust is like virginity: once you lose it it's hard to get it back." So spoke pollster John Zogby, commenting on his latest poll on President Obama's handling of his office. Quoted by Paul Bedard in the Washington Examiner:

"Most ominous for Mr. Obama is that 57 percent now disapprove of his job. That is his worst number yet. This includes 57 percent of men and 55 percent of women; 51 percent of moderates, 24 percent of liberals and 24 percent of Democrats; 66 percent of independents and 40 percent of Hispanics.

Meanwhile, a separate poll by CNN/ORC International found:

 53% of Americans now believe that Obama is not honest and trustworthy, the first time that a clear majority in CNN polling has felt that way.

According to the survey, conducted last Monday through Wednesday, 40% say the President can manage the government effectively. That 40% figure is down 12 percentage points from June and is the worst score Obama received among the nine personal characteristics tested in the new poll.

"A lot of attention has focused on the President's numbers on honesty in new polling the past three weeks, but it looks like the recent controversy over Obamacare has had a bigger impact on his status as an effective manager of the government, and that may be what is really driving the drop in Obama's approval rating this fall," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said.

It gets even worse, because of the lethal combination of perceived dishonesty and incompetence:

"Just ask Bill Clinton, whose overall approval ratings remained high during and after the Monica Lewinsky scandal because three-quarters of all Americans thought he could get things done, even though only about one in five said he was honest," Holland added.

Both polls had samples under 1000 people, on the small side, so there is margin of error of a few percentage points in each. However, it is clear that Obama is underwater, and that a public reassessment of him is well underway.